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 Post subject: Subwoofer Problem
PostPosted: 2006-12-23 11:10:47
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Room restrictions mean that I can only use small front loudspeakers
(KEF Cresta, bookshelf sized). This, in turn, implies a need for a
subwoofer. I bought a KEF PSW 1000 with the Crestas, since that seemed
to give a decent sonic match.

A little while ago, I was forced to dismantle my entire system
(because a new TV aerial system was being installed in the block of
flats where I live, and the workmen needed access to the corner of the
room behind it). Ever since I reassembled it, Ive found that I had a
mains hum audible through the speakers. Its mildly irritating in the
main speakers, but utterly unbearable if the subwoofer is turned on.
Ive been managing without the subwoofer.

Yesterday, I (at last) found the time to try to trace and rectify the
source of the annoying noise. It seems to be the subwoofer itself. The
hum disappears if I either unplug its signal cable from the amplifier
or unplug the subwoofer from the mains. Moving the subwoofer doesnt
help, so the issue doesnt seem to be its proximity to other equipment
etc.

As things stand, then, I have a system which really needs a subwoofer,
but no usable subwoofer.

So...

Anyone got any bright ideas as to why a subwoofer should be causing a
mains hum in the rest of the audio system, and how it might easily be
cured? I dont really want to spend out on a new subwoofer if I can
avoid it. And if I do, I dont know what to get. A KEF PSW 1000.2, I
suppose, unless I splash out on an entire new set of speakers...

Peter.


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 Post subject: Subwoofer Problem
PostPosted: 2006-12-23 12:41:30
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Peter wrote:
> Room restrictions mean that I can only use small front loudspeakers
> (KEF Cresta, bookshelf sized). This, in turn, implies a need for a
> subwoofer. I bought a KEF PSW 1000 with the Crestas, since that seemed
> to give a decent sonic match.
>
> A little while ago, I was forced to dismantle my entire system
> (because a new TV aerial system was being installed in the block of
> flats where I live, and the workmen needed access to the corner of the
> room behind it). Ever since I reassembled it, Ive found that I had a
> mains hum audible through the speakers. Its mildly irritating in the
> main speakers, but utterly unbearable if the subwoofer is turned on.
> Ive been managing without the subwoofer.
>
> Yesterday, I (at last) found the time to try to trace and rectify the
> source of the annoying noise. It seems to be the subwoofer itself. The
> hum disappears if I either unplug its signal cable from the amplifier
> or unplug the subwoofer from the mains. Moving the subwoofer doesnt
> help, so the issue doesnt seem to be its proximity to other equipment
> etc.
>
> As things stand, then, I have a system which really needs a subwoofer,
> but no usable subwoofer.
>
> So...
>
> Anyone got any bright ideas as to why a subwoofer should be causing a
> mains hum in the rest of the audio system, and how it might easily be
> cured? I dont really want to spend out on a new subwoofer if I can
> avoid it. And if I do, I dont know what to get. A KEF PSW 1000.2, I
> suppose, unless I splash out on an entire new set of speakers...
>
> Peter.

A couple of things to try.

Firstly, try and route the mains cable away from thre signal cables. I
use ferrite chokes on all of my mains leads as an extra precaution where
signal and mains leads need to be close.

Secondly, its possible that the shielding in your signal cable got
damaged during the dismantling process. Can you try a different cable to
see if that helps?

Finally, some sort of mains conditioner might help. I get a lot of hum
from the sub. on my Kef 100 system. Adding an Isotek filter cut down the
noise quite significantly.

Its possible that installation of the aerial system has caused a loss
of earth somewhere - that could cause such a problem. Can you check the
aerial guys work? Its possible and well known for kit to fail after a
move - its happened to me in the past. However, given that the sub. is
a solid lump my money is on something external, like the TV aerial work.
As a last thought: does the sub. hum if you connect to the mains
somewhere else in the house? If not, then you have a local issue somewhere.

Good luck.


Clem


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 Post subject: Subwoofer Problem
PostPosted: 2006-12-23 12:46:16
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Peter wrote:
> Anyone got any bright ideas as to why a subwoofer should be causing a
> mains hum in the rest of the audio system, and how it might easily be
> cured? I dont really want to spend out on a new subwoofer if I can
> avoid it. And if I do, I dont know what to get. A KEF PSW 1000.2, I
> suppose, unless I splash out on an entire new set of speakers...

Assuming it doesnt hum on its own, Id say you have a screen off
somewhere. Hum tends to be caused by no ground connection - or too many.
;-)

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 Post subject: Subwoofer Problem
PostPosted: 2006-12-23 13:39:22
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On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:41:30 GMT, Clem Dye wrote:

>A couple of things to try.

Thanks for your helpful thoughts.

>Firstly, try and route the mains cable away from thre signal cables.

Yes, already done (as far as is possible), thanks. Doesnt help.

> I
>use ferrite chokes on all of my mains leads as an extra precaution where
>signal and mains leads need to be close.

Hmmm. Didnt know that these were available for mains cables. Ill
have to look into that idea.

>Secondly, its possible that the shielding in your signal cable got
>damaged during the dismantling process. Can you try a different cable to
>see if that helps?

As it happens, I do have another subwoofer signal cable up in the
loft... Right, tried it. Sensible idea, thank you, but doesnt solve
the problem. Clearly not that.

>Finally, some sort of mains conditioner might help. I get a lot of hum
>from the sub. on my Kef 100 system. Adding an Isotek filter cut down the
>noise quite significantly.

Ah, that sounds interesting. Im not familiar with these. Expensive?

>Its possible that installation of the aerial system has caused a loss
>of earth somewhere - that could cause such a problem. Can you check the
>aerial guys work?

I wouldnt know how, TBH. But I cant see how it would have caused a
problem. They didnt take the old cables out. They installed a new
aerial, a distribution box in next doors loft, then ran new cables
into the adjacent lofts and thence down the outside of the building,
with holes drilled out from each living room to take in the cable to a
new socket block. (I have twelve aerial cables running across my
loft!) Old sockets left in place, but no longer used.

> Its possible and well known for kit to fail after a
>move - its happened to me in the past. However, given that the sub. is
>a solid lump my money is on something external, like the TV aerial work.
>As a last thought: does the sub. hum if you connect to the mains
>somewhere else in the house? If not, then you have a local issue somewhere.

Yes, it does. I tried connecting to a different socket, and it had no
effect.

>Good luck.

Thanks!

Peter.


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 Post subject: Subwoofer Problem
PostPosted: 2006-12-23 13:39:32
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On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:46:16 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News)
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>Assuming it doesnt hum on its own, Id say you have a screen off
>somewhere. Hum tends to be caused by no ground connection - or too many.
>;-)

Uh... This is the land of the moulded plug. I tend to assume that KEF
and Denon (amp manufacturer) know what earthing their products
require. Im reluctant to go hacking plugs off and, in any case, am no
electrician: I wouldnt know what to do after.

Whilst your analysis of the problem may well be valid, Ive no idea
what to do about it... except to buy a new sub...

Peter.


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 Post subject: Subwoofer Problem
PostPosted: 2006-12-23 14:27:04
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Peter wrote:
> >Assuming it doesnt hum on its own, Id say you have a screen off
> >somewhere. Hum tends to be caused by no ground connection - or too many.
> >;-)

> Uh... This is the land of the moulded plug. I tend to assume that KEF
> and Denon (amp manufacturer) know what earthing their products
> require. Im reluctant to go hacking plugs off and, in any case, am no
> electrician: I wouldnt know what to do after.

> Whilst your analysis of the problem may well be valid, Ive no idea
> what to do about it... except to buy a new sub...

Pop out to Maplin etc and buy a cheap multimeter. It will have a
continuity tester - use that to check the screens.

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 Post subject: Subwoofer Problem
PostPosted: 2006-12-24 09:54:43
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Peter wrote in message
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> Yesterday, I (at last) found the time to try to trace and rectify the
> source of the annoying noise. It seems to be the subwoofer itself. The
> hum disappears if I either unplug its signal cable from the amplifier
> or unplug the subwoofer from the mains. Moving the subwoofer doesnt
> help, so the issue doesnt seem to be its proximity to other equipment
> etc.

Does your subwoofer power cable have a 3 prong power plug? The problem is
the noise in your electrical system transferring to the sub via the earth
point of the power plug. Just replace it with a power cable with a 2 prong
power plug, removing the earth point in this way will remove the noise from
transferring to the sub. Your sub is well shielded so the earth plug is not
required, I run my sub with a 2 prong plug.

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 Post subject: Subwoofer Problem
PostPosted: 2006-12-24 10:56:24
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Italo wrote:
> Does your subwoofer power cable have a 3 prong power plug? The problem
> is the noise in your electrical system transferring to the sub via the
> earth point of the power plug. Just replace it with a power cable with
> a 2 prong power plug, removing the earth point in this way will remove
> the noise from transferring to the sub. Your sub is well shielded so
> the earth plug is not required, I run my sub with a 2 prong plug.

In the UK all power plugs are 3 pin and there isnt a two pin alternative.

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